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 Mercury Removal - But No replacement 
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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Wed Nov 01, 2017 8:28 pm 
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I have now been sent a third battery, a smaller one plus charger. This will now fit inside the white box and in theory the second battery will kick in when the first battery fails. Of course there is still no indication when this has occurred. So at the moment it will be up to me to maintain good housekeeping and swap main battery over every 10 days !! - It really should be lasting a month so perhaps my new display unit is taking away more charge than it should.

Will keep you posted

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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 6:02 pm 
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I now have the Met office data for October

As I suspected Alston, Stainmore and Maulds Meaburn all show a blank month as they did have any new thermometers !

However Bewcastle has a full set recorded. I suspect that his thermometers have not been removed and he has continued to report data. This would go against the Met Office stating that anyone with Mercury Thermometers their data would not be ratified. Of course he may have new stuff but I wasnt aware anyone in Cumbria was getting the Vaisalla setup and new wet bulb apart from me at first, until the program was rolled out further.

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Bewcastle - if you are looking in please let me know your situation. Thanks

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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Mon Nov 13, 2017 10:49 am 
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Met'O e-mailed me a blank sheet for October!
So I populated it with the min/grass/rain and vis codes, sent it back with a comment about still feeling valued, especially as 'others' are given a free copy of Rmets weather and I am not - and got a reply that afternoon from Tony's replacement about coming to see me!

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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 12:34 pm 
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I have been watching this debate with interest, not least becasue of how such changes will relate to those of us who still have mercury thermometers in our screens. For me they run alongside various electronic versions made by Casella, Vaisala and my own design. Perhaps I could thus ask for everyones advice here. Should I give up using mercury myself and just use the output from the electronic ones, or is it acceptable to continue with the mercury ones? I have recorded values from both for the past three years so I can produce error tables to allow corrections if necessary. I have always strived to be as accurate as I can and also to be as near Met office standards as I can.
I guess I am not the only one in this situation but I wouldbe interested to hear everyone's views.

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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:08 pm 
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Keep the mercury.
From 1.1.18 no retailer will be able to sell you a mercury thermometer so if you are down to your last one, then it is worth considering buying a spare or two.
I'm not sure how the second hand market will be affected though.

It sounds as though you have the best of both worlds anyway, so why change if it isn't broken?

Whilst I'm still waiting on the Met'O to bring me my new kit, it has to be preferable to read a thermometer as opposed to pressing buttons on a screen.

And of course the bizarre thing is that they are replacing mercury earth thermometers with spirit and the same with the ordinary thermometer - but not the Max!

I do know that there has been a widespread condemnation of the Met'O for how they have handed this and not least from Oxford university.
They have a 200yr+ unbroken record - they don't now.
I understand that they are spitting feathers

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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 8:09 pm 
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Yes definatley keep the Mercury if you can. Guess Met Office will have alot of spares at the moment going cheap !! :x

Its a difficult question especially for us Met Office aligned stations - I was left with no data for a few days, a break in my 17 year history. I could have supplemented the data with by own thermometers and AWS data, but I was told that any data with "Mercury" wouldn't be accepted. The whole matter has been handled very badly, but I guess it wont be front page headlines. There has been very little debate on weather forums ( well the one I use T.W.O ) there has been more discussion on here than any where else I can see.


Without saying to much. Met Office have certainly wasted alot of money on this exercise. If you want to know more send me a PM.

I am happy with the Vaisalla unit, easy to read, especially on darkjmornings like we have now. But if you going to the expense of one of those units why not make the whole site electronic and automatic ?

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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Tue Nov 21, 2017 10:38 pm 
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Tony's replacement contacted me on 7.11.17. to let me know that he would come out w/c 20th.
I replied, then this weekend contacted him again to remind him that I had not heard back from him - and today I still have not heard anything from him.

Still feeling valued!

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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Wed Nov 22, 2017 10:21 pm 
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Parcel arrived today.
x2 ordinary thermoms - new ones from Zeal.

Just a typed note saying to use both and that when the area chap visits me with the Viasala that one becomes a spare.

I'm sure that the man from the Met'O will be a very nice chap, but a little hard to determine when he does not return e-mails and I'm yet to meet him.

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