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 Post subject: Re: Historical Cumbria Weather Events
PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:33 pm 
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There will be collections of 'The Gentlemans Magazine' around Darren. I belong to a 'One Name' Family History Society and one of our members went through the mags extracting references to 'our' name. She will have done it in London - not sure where though.

Have you tried in the Carlisle library? You never know what they have. Unfortunatley the Carlisle Archives are closed until the Autumn. TBH though you'd probably need to be in London - maybe at the British Library or The National Archives.

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Cumbria Weather Events
PostPosted: Wed Jul 14, 2010 11:12 pm 
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Been having a Google. Bedfordshire Libraries has a set from 1731 to 1900 so I don't see why Cumbria Libraries shouldn't have! Can't get to grips with the online catalogue though - a phone call would be easier!

I thought I had hit lucky with my subscription to Ancestry.co.uk but the scans they have there seem to be only a condensed version of interest to Family Historians.

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Cumbria Weather Events
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:39 pm 
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Anne thanks for that - went to Carlisle library today and guess what - Gentlemans magazines - had to ask for them, but available now to read
I only had limited time to have look, but opened the first book out and there they were.

SOME WEATHER DATA FOR WIGTON DECEMBER 1756

laid out in columns thus:

Days Barometer Thr Wind weather

(24) (29,80) (38) (S) Frost + pretty clear

(25) (29.94) (25) (E) Hard frost all day

(26) (29,75) (32) (E) ditto

(27) (29,85) (27) (E) ditto

(28) (29,90) (34) (E) ditto

(29) (30,2) (29) (S E) ditto

(30) (30,10) (33) (S E) ditto

(31) (30) (35) (N W) gentle thaw all day

Whilst I didn't get to go back in time, I don't know what year he started to doing this, however, an entry for 11.1.55. starts
"since the 10th of last month the weather here has been remarkbably serene and calm with scarce a breath of air.
The thermometer has not varied more than from 34 to 40. 40 being its height at noon and 34 its height at night.........."

Infuriatingly, at the side of these entries are similar ones for Ludgate Street and these only differ with x2 coloumns for 'THR' a low and a high (min/max) - Smith doesn't seem to have a min'max thermom'.
I can only take it, unless I find out differently that the above temps refer to a 0900 reading??

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Cumbria Weather Events
PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 7:47 pm 
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Time presses - but I will add more later - inc Rainfall figures for carlisle 1763-1780

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:28 pm 
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CARLISLE RAINFALL FIGURES FOR 1763 - 1780

Whilst at the library I spoke with staff re the lack of books on Cumbrian weather, the chap went and spoke to someone out the back and brought the following book out:

'Life of Dr. Heysham'.

One of the chapters is:- 'Carlisle Bills of mortality, topography, climate and rainfall 1763-80'.

I was now really pushed for time, but noted these figures:

1757 - 20.026 inch
1758 - 26.036 inch
1759 - 22.946 "
1760 - 28.641 "
1761 - 26.443 "
1762 - 20.538 "

i would imagine you will all say "those figures are too low". But this is 100yrs before BRO was established - this must be at virtually at a time when weather recording was in its infancy.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 16, 2010 10:35 pm 
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Work to be done:

A return to the library with a flask and sandwiches to have a proper look at these books.

The one on Dr. Heysham could be fascinating and i will see if it says anything re exact location and gauge used, etc, etc adn if there are any more books in the series.

Re George Smith I will try to establish a start/end year for his articles and see if he got a min/max thermom'.

Q - did they have min/max' thermoms in 1750's? if not how did the others get a high and low reading?

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Oh, wow! glad to have helped Darren!! Its pretty time consuming isn't it! The rainfall figures seem quite low - but of course we don't know how they were being measured. I wonder if he says anywhere?

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 18, 2010 6:50 pm 
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darrog wrote:
CARLISLE RAINFALL FIGURES FOR 1763 - 1780

1757 - 20.026 inch
1758 - 26.036 inch
1759 - 22.946 "
1760 - 28.641 "
1761 - 26.443 "
1762 - 20.538 "

i would imagine you will all say "those figures are too low". But this is 100yrs before BRO was established - this must be at virtually at a time when weather recording was in its infancy.


Great work Darren.

Going by Carlisle RAF 14MU the 30 year average from 1960 - 1990
was 33'' so not that different.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 12:06 pm 
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A.S.A.P I will go back and see what I can find.
there was a later year with just 19 inch.

THERE'S A BOOK IN ALL OF THIS - who is going to write it?

'CUMBRIAN WEATHER PAST AND PRESENT'.

several trips to the Met'O library in exeter, semi permanent residence at Carlisle library and assorted others in the county
Purchase or access to the complete set of BRO annuals.
One eck of a lot of work - and how many copies would you sell?
But to collate all of that info' and put it together I would suggest would be worthwhile and the first time that anyone had done it.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 2:40 pm 
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It would be excellent Darren - go for it. You've nothing else on for the next few years have you? ;)

I'm not volunteering - too much Family History to do! :lol:

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