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PostPosted: Mon Jul 19, 2010 7:46 pm 
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If it hasn't been written 10yrs after I've retired - I might give it a go.
However, I suspect that I will be buying the book whose author is a certain Mr. P. Crabtree!!??

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 Post subject: Re: Historical Cumbria Weather Events
PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:41 pm 
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It gets better and better.

Went to the library today with the sole aim of going through the 'Life of Dr. Heysham' - good read, but it threw up so much more.

'The life of Dr. John Heysham M.D' - was written in 1870.

1778 - Dr. H settled in Carlisle - he quickly moved into quarters at St. Cuthberts church and stayed there until he died in 1834.

in 1780 - the population of Carlisle city and suburbs was 6299 souls - Dr. H did the census.

RAINFALL FIGURES FOR CARLISLE 1757 - 1776

1757 - 26.036 inch
1758 - 26.036 inch
1759 - 22.946 inch
1760 - 28.641
1761 - 26.443
1762 - 20.538
1763 - 28.353
1764 - 24.162
1765 - 19.709
1766 - 21.472
1767 - 26.268
1768 - 31.801
1769 - 21.803
1770 - 25.122
1771 - 23.982
1772 - 28.518
1773 - 28.233
1774 - 19.344
1775 - 29.132
1776 - 21.690

Mean for period of 24.71 inch

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 5:47 pm 
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However, it wasn't Dr. H who did the readings it was:
Dr. Carlyle, father of the Rev. Mr. Carlyle the arabic scholar. Who '..kept an account of the quantity of rain which fell at carlisle during 1757-76.

sorry, but I didn't get to research Dr. Carlyle - will do though.

the book does not make reference to where the gauge was sited or any details of the gauge - i feel it could possibly have been in the vicinity of the church.

However, (THIS IS THE FIND) the book states..."Mr.Pitt made the mean from 1801 to 1824 as 30.571 inch, at present (1870) is approx' 28 inch, making Mr. Pitts account [the better one])

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 6:45 pm 
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'The life of DR. H' in the rainfall, mortality chapter then goes on to detail mortality rates in carlisle, giving reasons/causes/numbers, etc - BUT IT ALSO GIVES A BRIEF OUTLINE OF WHAT THE WEATHER WAS LIKE

some extracts:

1779 - 'mildness of winter and early spring was remarkable. Common daisy was in flower of New Years day and blossomed almost all year.
Primrose blew on 1.2.1779.
as season advanced, cold, gloomy and wet. rainfall was something extraordinary

1783 - Summer + Autumn extrememly hot and sultry and more thunder and lightning then ever was remembered

1784 - commenced and ended with severe and long continued frosts ever remembered since1740
summer too was uncommonly cold and wet

1785 - year was ushered in by frost of long continuance and the drought of spring and far onto summer was beyond anything ever remembered.
there was no rain apart from very few slight shwrs excepted from Oct' 1784 till 29.7.85.

1786 - 0200hrs 11.8.1986. eathquake felt. was felt in a band from newcastle to whitehaven and Glasgow to N.Lancs

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:49 pm 
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So who was Mr. Pitt? there was no other ref' in the book
asked the librarian, didn't know, but went out back 'to ask someone', took ages and came back with:

'THE METEOROLOGICAL JOURNAL OF WILLIAM PITT' - 1831

why were all Pitts called william?

This chronicles the weather in carlisle for a 24 yr period (1801-24). Not a big tomb, but includes brilliant tables of temp + pressure with a min+max for each one in every month of that 24yr period.
Then also has the rainfall figures for the same period.

The journal starts with a few pages of narrative and describes PITt thus:
'Did not avail of new instruments that are used in meteorology, but understood well the nature and appliance of those he employed, namely thermometer, barometer and rain gauge.....'

It also describes him has having 'no particular occupation'

A few notes that I made:

The max' temp in that 24yr period was 85F - noon 25.5.1807.
Was intensely hot, distant thunder and a continual flare of lightening all night.

The Min' temp was: -2F (-18.8c i believe) on 17.1.1814.

RAINFALL - mean 1801-1824 was 30.571 inch

The library will let me take a digital photo of the journal - in a couple of weeks time I will go back, hopefully it will photo' ok and I will post them on here - you will then have all the info to look at - the tables all quite neatly fit onto one page.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 7:59 pm 
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And the librarian also brought out:

WHEATLEY WEATHER CHARTS 1892 and onwards - not sure what date they stopped.

Wheatleys were at 65 English Street, Carlisle and I'm fairly certain that it was a jewellers shop.

The charts are basically on card and cover a one month period. the centre piece is a daily graph of air pressure recorded at 1000 hrs.
I think they must have plotted each days readings and then at the end of the month joined the dots to create a graph/chart.

At the bottom is 'temperature'. Again recorded at 1000hrs.
No min/max and no details re where thermom' located.

However, it quickly becomes apparent what date sundays fell on 1892 onwards as every 7th day there is a blank entry.
Quite correct having sunday closing - WE SHOULD STILL HAVE IT NOW.

Thess charts are not as exciting as PITTS journal, but still nonetheless worth a look and part of Cumbrias 'weather heritage'.

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PostPosted: Fri Jul 23, 2010 8:05 pm 
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So Carlyle was doing the readings even before Heysham arrived.
Did Carlyle/Heysham know/meet Pitt?
did they form a meteorological society in Carlisle?
Who was doing the readings in 1870 when rainfall was 28inch?
did any of them know SMITH at Wigton?

How much more of this data is there to find?

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 10:33 am 
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WOW!!!!

This is GREAT, Darren. Thanks so much for researching and sharing this interesting stuff.

Apart from Mr Pitt's figures the rainfall seems quite low to me - probably to do with the way they were measuring it, no doubt. We can only be very grateful to those people for recording and keeping the data they did. No matter how accurate/inaccurate we now think their instruments .... at least they show some trends.

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PostPosted: Sat Jul 24, 2010 5:33 pm 
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Some interesting historical snips from the Solway Plain:

http://www.coggabata.co.uk/log.html

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PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2010 5:25 pm 
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Found this today - looks like a book has been written this year re Cumbrias weather - don't know if it is any good, but this chap Johnson is an associate fellow of RMets.

Cumbria's Weather - Your Complete Guide - Books Cumbria: Books Cumbria Cumbria's Weather is an affectionate portrait of our local climate by a man who has grown to love it over many years. Peter Johnson knows its every mood, ...
http://www.bookscumbria.com/cgi-bin/tro ... wprod_3181

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