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 Seathwaite Raingauge 
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 Post subject: Seathwaite Raingauge
PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 5:54 pm 
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Well after trawling the interweb for days I coulndt find a picture of the rain gauge at Seathwaite so I travelled to the area this morning. Its quite sad I know ! but I was almost nervous as I drove through Keswick and towards Borrowdale. I had been given a grid ref by the Met Office some time ago so I knew roughly where it was but was expecting a walk. I should have know better, it was literally just over the wall from a carpark at Seathwaite Farm itself. It looks in good condition, well maintained and high enough that it would not be flooded.

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Somewhere for all weather buffs to stay !
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Honister Pass Raingauge - very exposed

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The things I do on my days off, good job the wife was working ! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Seathwaite Raingauge
PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:06 pm 
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Good photos, have walked out of seathwaite many times, but do not re-call having seen the gauges.
From memory, I thought that the Met'O have gauges up at sprinkling tarn? Sprinkling tarn is up in the Mts, quite accessible from Seathwaite.
Maybe don't have them any longer, if they had them at all. Wonder what the difference in ppt would have been between the farm and Sprinkling?

Take it you popped up Gt. Gable or Scawfell Pike whilst you were there?

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 Post subject: Re: Seathwaite Raingauge
PostPosted: Thu Nov 26, 2009 7:23 pm 
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Well done lad!

To be ultra critical the fencing that borders the gauge(s)
should really be further away, but that's me :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Seathwaite Raingauge
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 4:45 pm 
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Looking at pauls compilation of historical weather events, there is at least one mention of rainfall at Sprinkling tarn and it been the wettest ever.
So Sprinkling did/does have a rain gauge - I think it doesn't anymore, maybe the one at the Farm replaced it??

But would be very interesting to have figures for both the tarn and farm to contrast and compare.

Also as a chpa who heads into the hills and likes maps, there are so many 'rain gauages' noted on maps- are they still there?
Does anyone have a list of those still in use? - How can you get hold of the data from them?

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 5:46 pm 
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Looking at the Met'O archive library, they seem to have archive daily rainfall records for sprinkling tarn for:
1884 1925-11/86

whatever happened to 1885-1925?

those archives are marked 'not for loan'.

if anyone can answer my other Q's would be interested.

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 Post subject: Re: Seathwaite Raingauge
PostPosted: Fri Mar 26, 2010 6:07 pm 
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below are some of the books that the Met'O have in their archive - all 'not for loan'
they would be really interesting to see.

1.) The centenary of rainfall observations at Seathwaite. - Manley, G. -1946

2.) The rainfall of Seathwaite, Borrowdale, Cumberland. - Marriott, W. - 1898

3.) Report on the fall of rain in the Lake Districts of Cumberland and Westmoreland, in 1846. Including particulars of the temperature at Seathwaite, in Borrowadale, and the monthly readings of five mountain gauges at 1290 ft. 1334 ft. 1900 ft. 2928 ft. and 3166 ft above the (sea) level.
Miller, J.F. - Whitehaven, 1847

4.) Climatological returns for Seathwaite, Mr Dixon, Cumbria (old county: Cumberland. DCnn: 70SD). - Royal Meteorological Society

5.) Climatological returns for Seathwaite, Mr Dixon, Cumbria (old county: Cumberland. DCnn: 70SD). - Royal Meteorological Society

6.) Climatological returns for Seathwaite, Mr Dixon, Cumbria (old county: Cumberland. DCnn: 70SD). - Meteorological Office

7.) Private weather diary for Seathwaite, Cumbria, kept by Mr Dixon (old county: Cumberland. DCnn: 70SD).

8.) Daily rainfall data for Seathwaite, Cumberland. - Royal Meteorological Society

9.) Daily rainfall data for Seathwaite, Cumberland (station height: 420 feet). - RMS

No.3 in particular sounds interesting - who read all those gauges and hoe often - the last mountain one at 3166ft is very curious - Great End is less than 3000ft as is Broad crag and ill crag. Scawfell Pike is 3205ft so I can only presume that it must have been on its flanks somewhere.

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 Post subject: Re: Seathwaite Raingauge
PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 8:56 pm 
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Wow - some great reads there, wish we had access to them. I wonder if they do photocopies ?

Sprinkling Tarn - I dont know if there is a gauge . If there is one it will be a monthly EA gauge. I have tried recently contacting them for data and didnt even get a response from my letter.

Rain Gauges - I do have a current (ish) list of gauges with grid refs - I will dig it out for you. Perhaps you can photo them all and we can create a webpage or two.

cheers :D

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 27, 2010 9:14 pm 
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http://www.roychetham.co.uk/weather.html

Go to near the bottom of the page, some interesting facts ! - dont know where he got the data from but it looks honest enough

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 Post subject: Re: Seathwaite Raingauge
PostPosted: Mon Mar 29, 2010 1:57 pm 
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Paul, a good find and a very interesting read.
His info' seems to complete to be made up (the fact about Crib Goch i find curious, I've been up there a few times and it is a 'knife edged arete' and not a place for a rain gauge, so i wonder where it is sited exactly.
i will e-mail him and ask how/where he got the seathwaite info'. I'll point him in this forums direction as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Seathwaite Raingauge
PostPosted: Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:20 pm 
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Reply from Mr. Chetham - more to follow

"Hi Darren,
Thank you for contacting me, this is a very interesting development.
I will endeavour to answer your question shortly but it deserves more attention and preparation than I can spare tonight."

I basically asked re his source of info' for Seathwaite (books/logs, etc) and told him of those that the Met'O have.

when you read the article it has Black waugh crag has 'the wettest place' - which in itself is interesting, due to this been well within the confines of the valley, just past Stockley bridge (1/2 mile from the farm) and not on top of the Mts.

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