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 Mercury Removal - But No replacement 
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 Post subject: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Sat Sep 16, 2017 7:40 pm 
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I think that many of us on here will have received a letter from Tony our local Met Rep. very sad to here is retiring !! always been a very friendly and helpful. You will be missed

What I cant get my head around is that they are going to remove our Mercury 'thermometers without providing a replacement !! Excuse my language but what the hell is going on at Met Office HQ. What is the point of me recording the readings every day for the last 17yrs for the data stream to stop as they cant be bothered to get their act together and find a replacement with a smooth transition to the new version. Another case of bureaucracy gone mad .

I really am lost for words and uncertain what to do. Perhaps a joint letter from all the Climate Stations in Cumbria ?

Any thoughts anyone !!!

This will effect Dry/Wet Bulb Max and soil thermometers

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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 7:10 pm 
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I thought others may have responded by now !! perhaps its just me that feels aggrieved !!

I have decided that as soon as my thermometers are removed I will cease sending any form of data to the Met Office, fairly pointless just submitting Min temp Rainfall and Sunshine. It will take a great deal of persuasion for me to start again. What a complete fiasco. I just feel that I have been wasting my time last 17yrs, under valued etc etc

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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Sun Sep 17, 2017 8:36 pm 
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cant you just sneak your own thermometers in your screen as soon as they take them away?

i know they cost about £100 each but i think that's the only way to avoid gaps in your data?


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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 9:59 am 
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rjd1000 wrote:
cant you just sneak your own thermometers in your screen as soon as they take them away?

i know they cost about £100 each but i think that's the only way to avoid gaps in your data?


Thats about £500 !!

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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 10:10 am 
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Paul C wrote:
I thought others may have responded by now !! perhaps its just me that feels aggrieved !!

I have decided that as soon as my thermometers are removed I will cease sending any form of data to the Met Office, fairly pointless just submitting Min temp Rainfall and Sunshine. It will take a great deal of persuasion for me to start again. What a complete fiasco. I just feel that I have been wasting my time last 17yrs, under valued etc etc


Only you, me and darren have Climat stations on this forum, probably why lack of response.
Anyway, deadline is for 10th October so things might change yet, if not then a patient wait
for the alternative Mercury therm. the Vaisala ERT will be nice though.

The main one is the Max therm, but I'm thinking that the Davis AWS might come in handy for
this so there'll be not gaps even though the Met O. will not except the reading, for our own
records - no problem.

As for the Soil therm. not sure about this, the 10cm etc, will probably have to go as they are exposed,
but the 30cm & 100cm might be left. Have to wait and see.

Next thing will be the rain gauge H&S reasons being the top being too sharp, and replaced by a plastic
shitty thing.

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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Mon Sep 18, 2017 7:03 pm 
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Carl - you are far to easy going !! :D

It must be my age, I get increasingly frustrated with everything that isn't right

Just feel very much let down

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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Wed Sep 20, 2017 10:06 pm 
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Paul - back from a weekend away and then work at Manchester.
I have also spoken with Tony today.

You should know by now that most organisations like to put the cart before the horse and the Met'O will be no exception.
However, it has been coming for years (I feel for the chap who sells barometers - no new mercury ones now and it could re-open the whole Brexit debate) so why the Met'O haven't got it sorted in time can only be a matter of incompetence.

Needless to say it isn't Tony's fault and he has tried to hang off for as long as possible in the hope that it would be sorted in time.

However, on Wednesday when he collects my thermom's I will be non-compliant - but the most important thing is that my (ours) records continue unbroken.

I am fortunate(?) in that I set my own site up and laid out the cash for a number of thermom's (plus help from friends) before the Met'O 'adopted me' and I am therefore able to go back to using them and hence my record will be unbroken.
In the meantime though the Met'O will get nothing from me.

However, tonight I have realised that my own 30cm earth will not 'click into' the plastic Met'O tube and hence I'm going to have to sink my old metal tube and so from now on I will have x2 30cm thermom's (well at least x1 with a thermom' in it!).

It is naff, but I'm relaxed, if only because I have the replacement thermoms - and there is a long way to go yet!!

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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 9:07 am 
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I agree with the idea of not sending the rest of the data via WOW.

It does appear fairly pointless just sending a "Minimum" temperature and not a Max etc

Carl - how do you feel in joining forces with this suggestion. No data via WOW until full data is available to send.


( I will have to check my personal thermoms to see if I have some spares to keep my data going through this "gap" )

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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:16 pm 
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Paul C wrote:
Carl - how do you feel in joining forces with this suggestion. No data via WOW until full data is available to send.


Not sure what to do, see what Tony has to say Tuesday afternoon.
If they take all Mercury therm. I'll be left with only Min, Grass, concrete and rainfall to send in.
Though I will send the rainfall data whatever.

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 Post subject: Re: Mercury Removal - But No replacement
PostPosted: Fri Sep 22, 2017 6:56 pm 
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Does appear fairly pointless to me.

I am still very annoyed about the whole matter. I feel especially upset for you Carl after all those years reporting faithfully, just cast aside for the sake of bureaucracy and the fact that someone hasnt done there job right in allowing it to get to this stage.

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